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ASK THE SHADCHAN
First Date

By Rebbetzin Nomi Travis

Question:

"I am by nature shy and find starting a relationship challenging. The first date is particularly stressful . . . I know some general information about the other person, but hardly know what to expect. Then I have to on the spot think of small conversation topics and the quiet moments in between are quite difficult . . . "

Answer:

Dear "Shy",

What to Expect

Even for extroverts the first date is not easy. As you express clearly, it's "hard to know what to expect." In one way or another, people always imagine what the other might be like, both in appearance and personality. If Reuven's best friend said Reuven has excellent character traits, you might imagine him acting like a stereotyped tzadik. If Yonatan heard that according to the references Malka is nicelooking, he might expect her to be the prettiest . . . We learn from Chazal that regarding taste and smell, there isn't anything to argue about. References have their opinions; but until we meet the candidate personally, we can't have fully formulated ours.

Visual images that pop in to our creative minds are symptoms of "pre-date anxiety". Bina shared: "So your hands are clammy and your heart is beating to the latest chossosn v'kalla tune, as you hear about the most amazing guy that has ever walked this earth. Prior to the first date, you are already bearing his adorable children, growing old, and then riding off into the sunset in your wheelchairs. STOP RIGHT THERE!!! (Screech of wheelchair tires stopping abruptly)."

Even if you're not the type to make too many inquiries, the shadchon gave you some background information on the perspective date. If she believes her suggestion is great (or even if she doesn't), she didn't refrain from praising him profusely and emphasizing how suitable she thinks the shidduch is . . . And between the time you actually hear about him and meet him, days or weeks pass by. You go on with your life, but it's there in the back or even front of your mind . . .

"Will he be the one? Or might it be one of those disaster dates from which I come home crying and wondering what I did to deserve to be put through such a horrible meeting?"

Take all you've heard and imagined with a "grain of salt". People give information based on personal impressions. Reality is more complex than mere descriptions . . . If you have decided to meet him because the idea, at least on paper, sounds reasonable, go ahead with an open mind. But avoid dreams or nightmares of pre-conceived notions. Give the shidduch a fair chance.

How to Start

"I think that if we would go into dates more open-minded, more as a listener than an entertainer, we will come out as better daters." Much as you should think of topics to bring up, perhaps even more important is being a good listener. Although you might want to lead the conversation into things that interest you, be sensitive as well to what the other person is sharing and asking. Rather than being only amusing and wanting to sound interesting and personable, try to also shift the focus to the other person.

The first aspect in starting a relationship is showing interest in his/her life. Find out about his learning approach, Yeshiva, work, etc. daily schedule, occupations and interests. A pre-marital therapist suggests that when not knowing how to react, at least do some sort of exclamation like: "I hear . . . "; "Really?"; "Wow!", etc. Moreover, try to be a mensch even if during the date you decide you don't want to go out again.

What to Talk About

You wrote about the difficulty of choosing conversation topics. Even before the meeting, you can think of ideas. Although you won't be able to consult a list during the meeting, having written it down will help you came up with something on the spot, rather than going blank: "What do I do now? What do I talk about now?"

"Mishpochology", family genealogy, is a good subject to begin with in getting to know someone. It gives background information on his upbringing — who married whom, where are the relatives originally from, family customs, where they studied, their livelihood, etc. That's the basic foundation, raw materials of childhood makeup.

General information can be personable enough to lead to other subjects as well. But at the same time, it can be non- committal and private. But even then, there is a lot that can be learned from how the other person expresses himself. For example, pay attention to how he talks about relatives. Being family oriented, trying to have a good relationship with relatives is an important marriage value. It indicates a husband who will probably be dedicated to his wife and children as well. Chaya told me that although she had a nice start of a shidduch with Zevi, eventually she was shocked at how much loshon horah he said about his mom . . .

Hagaon R' Kanievsky, zatzal suggested that before the meeting, they should think of questions like schooling, how certain subject where taught, how was the last chag in her house, how her family views certain issues, etc. Similarly, stories from gedolim, ideas from mashgichim, and some short vorts, can also be springboards to stimulate a more fluent conversation.

Regarding the quiet moments — they are present somewhat in all relationships. It also happens with close relations with whom we have lots to talk about. Even more so with someone you met for the first time. Don't blow out of proportion those uncomfortable moments if in general there are common interests.

Relationships can look awkward at the beginning. Since both are usually nervous, conversation doesn't flow easily until there is a certain measure of easiness and trust. If you're not uneasy, the other person might be, even if he doesn't show it. Pretend you're meeting someone for the first time at a long distance flight, at a dinner table at a simcha or some other situation. Looking at it from another angle can help put things in perspective.

In certain circles the shidduch process is quicker and talking about goal-oriented subjects like what each one thinks of marriage, is seeking in a partner, etc. is discussed sooner. Mashi mentioned to me that after dating for a few months without getting serious in a relationship, she was surprised when on a first date, Aharon asked her what she is looking for in a husband. She wouldn't have thought of such a question coming so early on . . . He didn't mean that he was already serious. It was just a way to check if they shared similar marriage aspirations. His answer was so different than what Masha thought, that it clarified at least on her side that they were not meant for each other. It's not necessarily something everyone should do. Just bear in mind that mentioning hashkafa points, can give a lot of clarity in the beginning beyond only focusing on "having a good time" attitude.

The first impressions at this point have the purpose of checking if there is potential. Therefore, don't break up unless there is a good reason. Often it's worth giving it another chance.

Be Yourself

Obviously, you want to make a good impression by being dressed in Shabbos clothes, coming on time, etc. Unfortunately, people think of all kinds of "shtik", in shidduchim. Remember: deceit has "short legs"; it is uncovered sooner or later. Trying to pretend what you're not will eventually backfire. Just be yourself — whatever that means. Try to be as natural as possible. If you have a healthy self-esteem, you know that you have a lot going for you! But that is altogether another theme to be developed in a future article . . .

Rebbetzin Travis has many years of experience and success in helping people through shidduchim. Please note that all names have been changed unless specified with the exception of well-known public figures like Gedolim and educators. Any comments, questions and stories can be sent to: travisdn@013.net or at (02) 656-3111

 

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