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IN-DEPTH FEATURES
The "decline of the generations," the economic situation,
the relationship between parents and educators, "Chassidic"
music, teachers' wages, avoiding influence from the "street,"
attitude towards newspapers, love of Torah — what is
our main issue?
A roundtable discussion in chinuch with the following
Talmud Torah menahalim: Rav Meir Munk, the
menahel of Toras Emes in Bnei Brak, one of the elder
educators; Rav Asher Zeev Luria, the menahel of Ohel
Torah in Bnei Brak; Rav Ben Tzion Kugler, the menahel
of Chavas Daas in Jerusalem; Rav Shlomo Karelenstein,
menahel of "Rebbi Akiva" in Zichron Meir, Bnei Brak
and head of the Agudas Yisroel teachers' association (union);
Rav Shimon Ziat, educational director of Shessilei Zeisim in
Bnei Brak; and Rav Uriel Kook, menahel Aviezer in
Jerusalem and Pri HaTorah in Brachfeld-Modi'in Illit. Rabbi
Yisroel Friedman presented the questions; Rabbi Rafael
Berlzon took notes.
Part I
*
As educators, would you be able to present clearly the
dangers that face us today? In other words, are we perhaps
still fighting yesterday's enemy? What is our children's
current enemy?
Rav Munk: Chinuch for holiness is in very great
danger! The danger has a number of faces: 1) The cell phone,
2) The media, 3) The home phone, and 4) The street. I am not
referring to the influence of the street's spirit; rather, I
mean actual spiritual dangers. The yetzer hora knows
that "the G-d of the Jewish people hates immorality," and he
knows where to concentrate his efforts. Today, children are
exposed to all kinds of things that never existed in the
past.
There are another two causes that are very harmful to
chinuch:
The first is arguments. Children need to grow up wholesome
and pure. If you go to the small chareidi communities in the
north and the south of Israel, you will feel the harmony and
cooperation in the atmosphere; all the ethnic groups live
together. In the large communities we do not have this, and
this problem creates a sour heart; children grow up with the
pronouncements that this one is kosher and this one is
treif. Even if one matures out of these opinions,
still, the feeling that the other one is treif
remains.
There is another enemy, and maybe you will smile when you
hear what I mean. Three years ago, I found a brochos
chart in a Kashrus Guide which made me very unhappy. It was a
chart of all types of treats and snack food. In the first
year it was published, there were 90 treats. The next year,
120, and the next year, 150 treats. Chazal said that before a
man should pray that the words of Torah would enter his
innards, he should pray that delicacies should not enter his
innards!
Rav Karelenstein: We have become materialistic and we
need to emphasize this topic: when the home is materialistic
it is a problem. When the weatherman speaks about snow in
Jerusalem, hundreds of parents go with their children to see
the snow — and this means there is a problem
somewhere.
Let us say you approach one of them and ask, "Why are you
going?"
He would not even understand what you want. He will exclaim:
"Why, it's for the children!" One avreich rented an
apartment for Shabbos for $150!
Rav Kook backs them up: Do you think a child can be
holding in learning if his father runs to look at snow? The
world is swept after desires and this has an influence on
us.
Recently, we traveled on behalf of the talmud Torah to
Geneva, Switzerland. One of the Jewish residents told us that
ten years ago it was a cultured place, but today it is
impossible to go out to the streets. Physical desires have an
expression in every place — on the cell phone and
public advertisements, and even the blinking lights of our
neighborhoods. Today, there is no need to import it from
outside; unfortunately, we have enough of the homemade
product!
I want to point out another enemy, a new malady that is
unconnected to what has been mentioned. This enemy is called
confusion. Besides guarding a child from influence from the
outside world, we have to build him up with a derech,
with a path that rises to the House of G-d. This is a very
difficult task in a period that Chazal welcomed but preferred
to miss for themselves: "Let it come but may I not see it."
The confusion has a progressively greater grip.
I feel that in earlier times everything was black and white.
But today it is all mixed up. This one is against that one,
this fights with that one, this one contradicts that one. We
know that it is not true, and that it only seems that way
— and I stress that it only seems that way — but
it is expressed in all areas of life. We, as adults, have to
know that we may be speaking about "news," but for the child
it is a world that is continuously being filled with
darkness!
This problem is unconnected to the topic of desires we
mentioned. A child can grow up chareidi, frum, keeping
everything — and yet confused! This is a new enemy, an
enemy that we in the Torah institutions have to decide how we
are going to battle.
Rav Luria: With our great sins, the enemy from
yesterday has not disappeared. Rather, he has grown and
reached awesome proportions. Every trip from our sheltered
environments — even the ride to the talmud Torah
in a bus — involves dangers that we must be aware
of. Every radio program that is played there is full of
ugliness and corruption, and the other programs a child may
be exposed to are worse. They make friends with the driver,
or they see groups of aimless youths on the sidewalks —
and all this is on one short trip.
We have to pay attention to what the child is likely to
encounter and to protect him in every possible way. The main
way is to invest in his chinuch about guarding the
eyes and keeping away from any foreign influences, and at the
same time to implant in him the desire to fulfill "and you
shall speak of them while you walk on the way," that is, to
learn and look into the holy Torah on the way.
Everything we have mentioned concerns turning away from evil.
But there is no doubt that one of the enemies of our
generation is superficiality, shallowness. Maran HaChofetz
Chaim used to say: "When a Jew makes the brochoh in
the morning `For not having made me a gentile,' he should ask
himself if he is really a Jew with all of his being. Is his
brain a Jewish brain with pure thoughts? Are his opinions
made of good outlooks? Every step and every movement of the
hand needs a reckoning."
We have to pay attention very much to this matter of bringing
a Jewish spirit into each and every limb.
Rav Ziat: The dangers are indeed great, as we have
mentioned here, but we must remember that young people of
every generation have always been exposed to dangers, and the
yetzer hora changes his guise. The greatest danger in
our generation is the home's weakness. In the not distant
past, chinuch in the home was very strong. Parents
knew exactly what they wanted and they used their intellect
to educate and pass the message on clearly to their
children.
The parents should supervise everything their children do.
Similarly, they must know who their friends are, where he or
she goes and where he or she plays. A child must not run
around without the knowledge of his parents, whether it is in
the street, stores, or with friends. In my opinion, a normal
child feels good with this kind of supervision, even if it
limits him sometimes, because he grows up with the feeling
that a warm, caring home is behind him. A home such as this
prevents the problems and complications that lie in wait for
the child's soul.
The greatest danger is when there is a lack of supervision,
and it seems there is a weakness in some homes in this area.
This exposes the child to the street and all the problems we
mentioned before. There could be any number of reasons that
cause a lack of supervision of the children: Burdens, lack of
free time, weakness of the parents' authority, confused
parents who do not know how to act, or make a philosophy out
of being permissive. In any case, we have to remember that
this is the greatest danger.
Rav Kugler: It is important to emphasize that the
yetzer hora wears a different costume in every
generation, and so it will be in the future! The works of
mussar do not focus on any particular yetzer
hora. Rather, they address the issue generally. If we
concentrate on the present yetzer hora, where will
they draw strength for the yetzer hora of the next
generation? Our message must be clear: There is a yetzer
hora! "I created the yetzer hora and I created the
Torah as an antidote" (Kiddushin 30a). Our emphasis
must be on the sweetness of the antidote, that Torah should
be desirous, pleasant and joyous.
*
There is another ingredient; an enemy that is not so well
known — and that is music. Is there someone who has an
opinion on that? I had a conversation with the famous
musician Rabbi Abish Brodt in the United States who works on
the painful problem of youth dropping out of the educational
framework, besides his heartfelt niggunim. He said
that the spiritual breakdown of these youths often begins
from what is known as "chassidic" music, which breaks down
the barriers and brings the youth closer to the
street.
Rav Ziat: Music certainly has great influence.
Unsuitable types of songs, even if they are "chassidic," or
singers who were far from Torah and came closer or the
opposite, G-d forbid, or melodies that are influenced by the
street—all these certainly contribute to breaking down
the barrier between us and the street. These songs darken and
cloud the sensitivity of a ben Torah, to the point
where the children lose their aspiration to grow as a true
ben Torah.
The talmud Torah's administration, together with the
educators, could have good results in this matter with a bit
of investment. There was a period when the rabbonim were not
pleased with the orchestras at weddings because of the type
of songs and dancing. A number of yeshivos decided to fight
for their soul, and decided that no one may order a band that
creates an unacceptable atmosphere. Rather, only a band that
keeps to the boundaries of good taste in Jewish music.
Nowadays, one can figure out what yeshiva the chosson
learns in according to the band that plays at the wedding. In
a similar way the talmudei Torah could take action and
bring good results with a small amount of investment.
Rav Kook: Music is another aspect of the wave of
desires we mentioned before, and it certainly has a strong
influence. How music affects a person is another topic
altogether, but there is no question that it is the "final
hammer blow" in the process of a child's ruination.
*
We all are witnesses to the decline of the generations, or
unfortunately, the fall of the generations. How does the
generational decline affect melamdim, teachers? The
decline is likely to be expressed not only in the children's
level but also in the level of the educators; from this
perspective the educators of the past generations must have
been giants...
Rav Munk: Melamdim today are very good and
wonderful but they are more teachers (morim) than
melamdim. Once, melamdim received a very low
salary. I have a number of books filled with appreciation for
melamdim, some of them from our people and some of
them from those who once learned Torah and rejected it. In
any case, the melamdim were not appreciated because of
their low salary. There were humiliated because people did
not respect someone who earned less, not because they were
not good melamdim.
They worked from morning until night, some of them far away
from their homes. They worked with tremendous self-sacrifice
and created talmidei chachomim. There are not many of
these types of melamdim who do not watch the clock
anymore. As is known, Maran HaChazon Ish was concerned that
melamdim would turn into teachers when Chinuch Atzmai
was founded.
Rav Luria: I once heard in the name of the Nesivos
Shalom zt'l who said that a educator has to know that
Divine Providence placed him in the position to educate the
future generation, who are pure from sin. If they receive the
proper education they are capable of becoming gedolei
Torah who will enlighten the eyes of Yisroel. Every
educator must feel this heavy responsibility and he must know
that any cheapening of his duties is a perversion that cannot
be repaired.
The melamed has a role that one must think about when
he is occupied with it and when he is not occupied with it.
If not, he could be "as one who does the work of Hashem
dishonestly." One must firmly believe that he is a messenger,
and not just a professional. This attitude is seen clearly in
the results.
The Nesivos Shalom told about melamdim of the
previous generation, special Jews whose lips moved in every
spare moment with the words: "I shall place Hashem before me
always" (Shivissi Hashem . . . ) or they repeated the
Thirteen Principles of Faith, or the like. The community
expressed their appreciation of their high status by choosing
a melamed to be the chazon on erev
Shabbos.
The conditions may have changed, but it is still a holy work.
Our obligation is to arouse the feelings for the love of
mitzvos at every age and level, and to open the children's
minds and hearts to holy feelings.
Rav Kugler: I feel the question about the generational
decline among the melamdim is invalid for three
reasons: 1) We should not discuss here the generational
decline of melamdim unless we are prepared to discuss
the decline of menahalim as well. 2) We should not
discuss the generational decline of educators in the public
eye, in a newspaper, where the students will also have access
to it. 3) If we determine and print in the newspaper that
there is a reality to this idea of a generational decline
amongst the educators, we will be causing shame even to those
educators who were never afflicted with any generational
decline, and they are likely to think that we intended them
as well.
Actually, there are areas where the generation has improved
and there is a generational elevation in these areas. For
example, in the area of diagnosis of learning disabilities
there has been improvement, applying the principles of "from
all of my teachers I learned and from my students more than
anyone else," and "wisdom exists by the gentiles." Our
generation also merited that the possibilities of
communication have increased and now many things have become
public knowledge that were once only known to a privileged
few.
We have to remember that in the past many were victims of
ignorance, even though the melamdim were holy and
splendorous figures. We can only praise our generation's
melamdim who are saving hundreds of students from a
life of failure in the spiritual and material realms.
*
The discussion erupts into a hearty debate amongst the
menahalim about the level of today's educators
compared to the past. We listen and take notes:
Rav Karelenstein: I ask the opposite question; isn't
today's melamed on a higher level than ten years
ago?
Rav Munk: I do not know if it is possible to make any
general rules. We know today and we knew in the past of Jews
who were talmidei chachomim who were melamdim,
such as Rebbe Yisroel Zalushinsky zt'l and
ylct'a Rebbe Shaul Kravitz and Rebbe Moshe Turk.
Rav Luria: Once there were melamdim on the
level of roshei yeshivos who taught in a cheder. Today
there is no such thing.
Rav Munk strengthens his point: Chinuch Atzmai once
had a staff of outstanding talmidei chachomim who had
no other interest in the world besides Torah. Today, an
avreich on such a level would never dream of being a
melamed; an offer such as this would be a disgrace in
his eyes.
Rav Karelenstein: This is true regarding the level of
learning. But in any case, today there are talmidei
chachomim who have entered the field of chinuch
and they are contributing greatly. I began to work in the
field of chinuch 52 years ago. Then, it was very
difficult to find melamdim. Today there are more and
more important avreichim who are turning in this
direction. I agree there was a sharp decline from 52 years
ago to about ten years ago, but in the last ten years there
has been an upward trend.
A number of retired melamdim who once taught for us
can be found today learning enthusiastically like yeshiva
bochurim. Of course, this is something special that
was in the past, but if you will come into a classroom today
during the 10:00 a.m. break you will find melamdim
discussing Torah, learning without interruption.
Rav Kook: In fact, in recent years awesome talents,
which we did not have in the past, have reached the
chadorim. There has been a revolution in Jerusalem
that is in large due to the merit of Rav Kugler.
Rav Karelenstein continues: If it is possible to point
to a specific decline in the educator it would not be in the
level of learning. Rather, the decline would be in the
educational approach, in the willingness and motivation to
invest time, in a word: the heart. Here there is a decline
but at the same time there is an inclination in a positive
direction.
Rav Munk requests to strengthen the words with a
story: Maran HaRav of Ponovezh ztvk'l used to
claim that there was more Torah today in Israel than in
chutz la'aretz, but Maran HaRav Shach ztvk'l
used to claim that the heart was lacking today. Maran HaRav
Shach told us the story about Maran HaRav Yitzchok Elchonon
of Kovno ztvk'l who rested once in Slobodka. Slobodka
was a small neighborhood outside of Kovno, separated from it
by a river. Suddenly, an urgent letter arrived in Kovno from
Rebbi Yitzchok Elchonon in which he requested that they
should feed the cat he was accustomed to feed every morning.
This is humanity! Mentchlichkeit — this is what
there once was and we do not see so much today.
Rav Ziat gives another perspective: Maran HaChazon Ish
ztvk'l used to say that you can influence others only
when you fill your cup to the brim with goodness, and then
when it overflows you can influence others. A man who is full
of yiras Shomayim and the love of Torah will have much
greater influence on his charges, that is clear.
In fact, lately there has been progress in the pedagogical
approach and there is an overall improvement in the
educational system with regard to the melamdim's
approach to students' problems. Institutions and
organizations have been established, and their activities
assist in the diagnosis of learning difficulties and
behavioral problems. They have developed methods of dealing
with the problems.
But this is not the main thing. In the past, melamdim
who were yirei Shomayim and devoted to their task were
much more successful with the bit of life wisdom they were
endowed with, and they had excellent results.
It could very well be that the development of these methods
comes as a reaction to the situation in the educational
system where a portion of the melamdim did not have
the correct approach. For example, they may have been too
strict in their relationship to the students, or they may
have had a lack of understanding of how to deal with
behavioral problems and learning disabilities. Therefore, we
have to be thankful for all those involved in making progress
in improving the methodology and educational approach.
However, the main success in the past, the present, and the
future depends on the melamed's heart, his devotion
and his love of his students. It was told about HaRav Moshe
Tikutczinsky zt'l, the mashgiach of Yeshivas
Slobodka, who asked Maran HaRav Yechezkel Sarna ztvk'l
if he should learn psychology to assist in his role as
mashgiach. Rebbi Yechezkel asked him, "Do you love
your students?" When he answered that he did, Rebbi Yechezkel
told him he had no need for all this. "If you love your
students you will be successful!"
The heart speaks to the students, and this is a reality that
is proven in the field.
I think there was a period where the incorrect approach to
chinuch was used, for instance, concerning strictness
and the like. There was an insufficiently proper approach
from some of the melamdim and today there is an
attempt to correct this. However, as far as the heart is
concerned, it is clear that in the earlier generations
everything was different. It was a much better situation.
Rav Luria: There will no doubt be those who claim that
the pedagogical approach of melamdim today is improved
due to the many hours of classroom instruction and teacher
training they receive. But it is well known, with all due
respect for the professional approach, that a melamed
whose heart is aflame with the love of G-d, who speaks in a
refined way (without any slang expressions), who is exact in
halochos, and whose prayer and behavior testifies
about his real yiras Shomayim, is immeasurably more
powerful in influencing his students than the expert teacher
who has a to'ar (degree), but is not tahor
(pure).
*
Let us assume that the salaries could be doubled, wouldn't
the talmudei Torah be able to attain melamdim twice as
good?
Rav Munk: Someone who does not enjoy the work will not
become more devoted, no matter how much money you give him. I
have not seen that institutions that paid higher salaries had
better teachers. Maybe this is a question of taste, but I
believe they did not.
Rav Karelenstein: Thirty or forty years ago there were
periods where melamdim did not receive any salary for
six or eight months, but nothing would deter them from the
quality of the chinuch they gave to their students.
Rav Luria: "Melamed" has to be the very nature
of the man. If he is a good melamed he will be highly
devoted even if he earns little. HaRav Shimshon Pincus
zt'l told the story about Rebbi Yaakov Yosef Herman
zt'l who served as a melamed for decades in the
United States. At his funeral, his son told that he had once
asked his father why he fasted for so many years from morning
until evening.
Rabbi Yaakov Yosef answered based on the gemora that
told of Rebbi Chiya who first planted flax, made nets from
the flax, and trapped deer in order to make parchment. On the
parchment he wrote the chamishoh Chumshei Torah and
the six orders of the mishnah to teach children
(Bava Metzia 85b). It has been explained that Rebbi
Chiya wanted all the preparations for teaching children to be
completely in holiness and purity from the start.
"When I teach Jewish children," explained Rebbi Yaakov Yosef,
"I am like the parchment. The children learn from me, and
therefore I must be holy and pure."
Since his wife was not happy with his fasts, Maran HaChofetz
Chaim zy'a was asked for a ruling, and the Chofetz
Chaim agreed with his path.
Rav Kugler: Regarding teacher's salaries, it is
important to emphasize that anyone who sits in a classroom
knows that his work requires great effort and sometimes even
drains all one's strength. It is work without rest, and they
must be continuously alert, every day, every hour. There are
no vacation days; the intersession is shorter than in
yeshivos, kollelim, or schools. They have to miss the
simchas of even the closest relatives, such as going
to the bris of nephews (which is not prevalent in
kollelim).
We are obligated to give them as much as possible, especially
since this expense is for the most important function there
is! We have to remember that we are speaking of a vitally
necessary expense and so parents should be prepared to give
willingly, in joy.
*
The reality today is that the street has come to us; we
are in the street and the street is with us. How can we make
a separation? Have you given thought to that?
Rav Ziat: Maran HaChofetz Chaim said that darkness
could not be driven away with sticks. Rather, it needs light.
Children lack aspiration and a good taste from their learning
today. In my opinion, we must set goals for the children that
will provide them with satisfaction, goals that can be
translated into action and will get them involved, such as
learning mishnayos or the gemoras shakla
vetaryo, by heart, and similar ideas. Certainly, this
light will push away a lot of darkness.
Another point is to create a feeling of Jewish pride in the
child, so that the child will walk with an elevated feeling
of joy and happiness, compared to those who have not merited
a Torah chinuch. This is as the verse says: "And he
shall lift his heart in the ways of Hashem." If so, the
street will not attract the child.
But if his father travels to Switzerland the child will
also want to.
Rav Munk: Not many travel to Switzerland.
Rav Ziat: True, but there are other things that
everyone has. For example, a child comes home and he finds
the local newspapers that are distributed for free. These
fill his entire head; it is very hard to find a child today
whose head is clear.
If we make more goals in a way that arouses kinas
sofrim, envy of scholars, such as learning by heart or
preparing a small Torah discourse, I think this can dispel a
lot of the darkness. When a child occupies himself in
learning the fact is that his mind changes.
*
Maybe this is a question of chutzpah, but is it
possible that in a certain measure we have missed the
boat?
Rav Ziat: I think not. In our talmud Torah we
have begun to invest a lot in this direction and we see a
great blessing from it. Children are very involved in their
learning. There was one boy with difficult behavior who
changed his complete nature, his entire spiritual content,
due to this encouragement. I agree that we have to know what
the problems are in order to know our enemy, but what served
us in the past was that children were occupied in learning
Torah, and if we strengthen this we will certainly see
results.
Rav Munk: But how is this done?
Rav Ziat: We have tools. The melamdim and the
menahalim can create different types of motivation,
which are not for the sake of Heaven, and will lead to the
proper motivation. It could be encouragement with prizes, or
status and honor that creates kinas sofrim.
Rav Munk: But there are still the newspapers, the
news, and a thousand and one things. What can we do to
overcome these? I cannot prevent this from penetrating. What
can we do to strengthen the influence of learning Torah, as
you said.
Rav Kugler: The boat has been sailing in this way for
many years. There are those who missed the boat, and the
Sages said in regard to this: "Kinas sofrim increases
wisdom" (Bava Basra 21a). This applies equally to
students and to the administrations of talmudei Torah.
The method of using prizes is proven clearly, and is a
permanent part of the picture, not an idea that comes and
goes.
*
Bnei Brak is a city of scribes and book stores. Today we
see more and more clothing stores, falafel, and lately
pizza. The child sees it all. How can we cause him to want to
only learn Torah?
Rav Kugler: There is much more learning, but there is
a problem of cooling off. The coolness penetrates. In the
cheder we try to keep the old guard, and it is one of
the few places where we simply try to keep things the way
they used to be, as much as possible.
There is the problem of "emes," though; we have to act
with truth, and not just speak truth.
It used to be that a very frum person tried not to
display his frumkeit; today it is the opposite. This
is very extreme, but the children absorb this! Today there
is much knowledge, and a desire to know more and more pages
of gemora, but we see less and less that the Torah
builds the inner world of the student.
The preparation for this comes from the holy Yeshivos that
build the student's personality over the course of years, and
not from a course with a certificate. We have to check
carefully before we hire a melamed, far more than the
model lesson. We have to check on the root of the
melamed's personality and behavior.
Rav Kook: As Rav Kugler mentioned, we have to see to
it that the melamed radiates true inner truth. This
means we should take a melamed and prepare him with a
number of years of learning, as the Levites prepared
themselves before their work in the Beis Hamikdosh.
This type of melamed could truly fight against the
following phenomenon: Today we do not need to import any
problems from the outside. There is a pride in being a ben
Torah, but there are many problems within the community.
The battle against cell phones is within the Torah world, and
who are the consumers of wedding music? I do not intend to
generalize about everyone, G-d forbid, but HaRav Shlomo Wolbe
zt'l used to say: "I am not talking about the street,
I am talking about the street inside the yeshiva!"
This "street" is the consumers of the cell phones, ties, and
media. The external street has acquired a place amongst the
youth. This does not find expression in childhood, but
afterwards it comes out. Here is where we can confess about
the mistake we have made. I want to ask: If the child sees
the melamed playing with his cell phone, his beeper,
and his lap top computer, can we expect the child to be
holding in learning?
Rav Luria: To tell the truth, I hear all the talk here
but I do not see that the situation is so black. Maybe it
does not fit so well with all that we have heard here, but,
boruch Hashem, I see children coming out from the
Talmud Torah and growing up to be bochurei
yeshivos.
*
We are not speaking about any specific Talmud Torah that
chooses only from a quality population. We are speaking about
all of them.
Rav Munk: All over Bnei Brak there are children who
finish the six orders of the Mishnah in one year, and
there are many other frameworks and chevros. This is a
wonderful situation, and we cannot ignore it. There are
points we have to think about and discuss, but there are
wonderful things that we did not have in the past and we
cannot ignore them.
Rav Karelenstein: I agree with what Rav Luria said
earlier that today's situation is that the children are
learning well. Children in the upper grades even continue
after the end of the day's learning to learn in other
frameworks. During Shabbos they may learn up to six or seven
hours!
On the other hand, we have to be careful not to cause a
breakdown amongst the children, especially amongst weaker
students, who cannot attain high achievements. We have to
build up their self-esteem so that they will not be harmed,
because a low self-image is one of the greatest dangers to a
child. My question is: Maybe the large amount of
hasmodoh, continuous learning, is part of the problem?
Maybe it will burst out in the future because the child did
not satisfy himself in his childhood? One of the big
principles in education is that a child has to satisfy his
childish nature in play.
Rav Luria: Children have their childish satisfactions.
I remember from my childhood when we lived in the
neighborhood of Maran HaRav Shach. When we were let out of
the talmud Torah early on Rosh Chodesh, he would meet
us next to the neighborhood beis haknesses and make us
happy by playing all kinds of childish games with us.
End of Part I
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